Penny Muse Abernathy, author of Saving Community Journalism: The Path to Profitability and The Expanding News Desert, sat down with It’s All Journalism producer Michael O’Connell to discuss Public Good or Private Enterprise? A Policy Discussion on the Future of Local News. The Nov. 18 discussion coincided with the release of a new report by Gallup and the Knight Foundation looking at the importance of local news to our democracy and the public’s willingness to support it.

Keep up with the latest news about the It’s All Journalism podcast, sign up for o ur weekly email newsletter.